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Posted: 08 August 2007 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 61 ]
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scrum, go back to the first page of the thread
started when I had completed the list
in an out of order headlong meandering ramble.
Thus began a rereading of the list in chronological order
Elmore Time
The library had a complete list of titles at that time
but seems to have lost Gunsights since,
honest I didn’t take it.
am waiting for Amazon
to deliver it soon
as I am savoring
The Hunted
knowing
The Switch
waiting for me,
Queen Saulter Branch
appears with Russell Crowe
in the film
Cinderella Man,
summer is a time
for reading
for dreaming
in the garden
ordered a large print edition
type large enough to read the typos
with my first edition Mr. Majestyk
Gunsights will double my personal EL collection
not expecting any disruption in flow of messier
except perhaps time required to harmonize
dstrings and my clarinet

Swag 1976
They crossed off gas stations and altered a couple of their ten rules for success and happiness, finding it was all right to be polite, but you still had to scare the guy enough so he’d know better than to try and be a hero. It was all right, to dress well, look presentable. But they realized they’d better not become typecast or pretty soon the police would be writing a book on the two dudes who always wore business suits and said please and thank you. So they wore jackets sometimes, and raincoats. Stick had a pair of coveralls he liked he’d bought at J. C. Penney. They were comfortable and no one seemed to bother looking at him. Frank liked his pale-tan safari jacket with the epaulets. Very sharp, big in California. He liked the way the Python rested in the deep side pocket and didn’t show. Usually, after a job, they kept the guns locked in the glove compartment of the T-bird. Stick thought they should put them away somewhere, hidden. But Frank said it was better to have them handy; they saw a place they liked, they were ready. Keep them in the apartment, some inquisitive broad could be snooping around and find them. Ho ho, what’re these two business types doing with loaded firearms? Stick wasn’t convinced, but he couldn’t think of a better place to keep them.
Speaking of rules, Stick said maybe there was one more they should add. Number Eleven. Never try and hold up an Armenian.

Second Detroit crime story, Elmore antiheroes, I dare say the first of many to follow,
Frank Ryan, no relation to Jack except he “knows” Maurice “Sportree” Jackson
who knows Leon Woody, the very same Leon Woody that taught Jack Ryan how to B&E;in the Big Bounce back story,
Earnest J. “Stick” Stickely who will reappear in his own novel later.
Balanced between two persona right from the opening page this is really Stick’s story, narrative viewpoint.
How do these two guys get into Robbery, Armed?
Stick already stealing cars to further his lot in life is a hard working truck driver getting only bad breaks.
Frank, smooth used car salesman at Red Bowers Chevrolet on Telegraph, has been making a study on how to get Money, Easy.
How do they do it and how much fun is it?
A note here re the Rules written on cocktail napkins,
Elmore Leonard is right here having a drink with us, perhaps his last, so enjoy it because the wagon is coming.
Halfway through the story we come, after many adventures, to “the big job”
even though everything is saying “NO” Stick goes for it
even though it should work out right,
he should get the girl and live happily,
see his little girl,
separation anxiety,
she’ll be 16 when next they meet.
There are no black and white hats
Hats are in fact an ongoing touchstone of Dutch’s work
Heroes and villains alike sporting expressive brims

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Posted: 08 August 2007 09:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 62 ]
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son slater - 08 August 2007 10:44 AM

Hats are in fact an ongoing touchstone of Dutch’s work
Heroes and villains alike sporting expressive brims

And more often than not, worn forward, low over the eyes.

Nicely done.  Thanks for the clarification.

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Posted: 25 August 2007 02:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 63 ]
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Clarity is one of the by products of an endeavor such as this
theme
veterans and their return home
the first Detroit crime novel
about a Korean War vet
name of Mitch
after Swag’s symmetrical self centeredness
precludes veteran’s of anything
including the ad wars
continues in the next two
The Unknown Man No. 89
Staff Sgt. David Davis USMC
amidst the residue of war
tank battle ghost towns
vanished Indian Jews
both Vietnam vets
suffering from shock
Bobby a grenade to the head
Sgt.Davis impending separation
Francis X Perez is the frank
balance to the Jewish voice of Jay Walt
while the air of the hunted
alive with Jewish innocence and energy
completely without a Frank of any kind
there are some names used that could be frank
Hebrew or Arabic
not obvious
first without since Last Stand’s veterans of The Civil War
The Switch that follows begins with one of those Franks
that make you question your own manhood
on the golf course or in the clubhouse
the bedrooms
Mickey
Melanie
Ordell
Louis
Robert Edgar Monk

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Posted: 02 September 2007 10:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 64 ]
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sooo, what to do?
first
while reading David Gehrin’s
Elmore Leonard
I became aware of an inconsistency
in his story of EL’s publishing history
and the list so conveniently located
up front in all Harper Collins editions
The Hunted then Unknown Man No. 89
then something that makes sense
when reading in Elmore Time
Touch was written after The Switch
and held in limbo by Bantam for 10 years
until published by Arbor House
its place on the list between
Bandits and Freaky Deaky
makes less sense than between
Unknown Man No. 89 and The Switch
soooo
I’m going
to have to reread
The Hunted
Unknown Man No. 89
The Switch
by then
The Toronto Public Library
will have found a copy of Touch
then I can read my new copy of Gunsights
whaddya think?
anal?
“The next best thing to reading Elmore Leonard is re-reading him.”—Mike Lupica,
New York Daily News

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Posted: 02 September 2007 11:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 65 ]
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If there is a question in there, son, I’ll answer it.

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Posted: 03 September 2007 06:21 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 66 ]
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New Rule. (Bill Maher doesn’t have a monopoly in this area): If you’re out of your mind, you’re no longer permitted to post here.

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Posted: 03 September 2007 07:53 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 67 ]
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If you’re out of your mind, you’re no longer permitted to post here.

Remember: It’s Nice to Be Nice.  That’s the only rule, plus keeping things basically on topic, which is the case here.

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Posted: 03 September 2007 08:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 68 ]
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thanks Greg
confirmation of “facts” re order
would clarify any questions
other than my character
The Hunted then Unknown Man No. 89
rather than visa versa
this is minor but
something that makes sense
when reading in Elmore Time is that
Touch was written after The Switch
and held in limbo by Bantam for 10 years
until published by Arbor House
its place on the list between
Bandits and Freaky Deaky
makes less sense than between
The Switch and Gunsights

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Posted: 03 September 2007 08:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 69 ]
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Touch was originally title The Juvenal Touch.  I read it first in 1980 or so in manuscript form.  I think before my Monthy Detroit article came out.  Bantam was too chicken to publish a book about the Stigmata.  Elmore’s agent, the legendary H. N. Swanson, got him a very favorable deal at Arbor House during Elmore’s big run-up in the mid to late 1980s, when it was published as Touch

Elmore made a few small changes then but otherwise the book is the same as it was when he wrote it in the late 1970s.

Touch is a companion to Unknown Man #89. especially the parts about booze; like the fact that Juvenal worked in an alcohol rehab center across from the old Stroh Brewery Co.

Bibliographically, Touch belongs where it is, that is, when it was published.  In terms of reading everything by Elmore in order, you would want to put it into the late 70s mix.

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Posted: 04 September 2007 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 70 ]
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Son,
PM me your address and I’ll send you my copy of Touch.
You can be reading it within the week.
;-D

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Posted: 05 September 2007 07:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 71 ]
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Touch is a companion to Unknown Man #89. especially the parts about booze; like the fact that Juvenal worked in an alcohol rehab center across from the old Stroh Brewery Co.

Perhaps it could be read
Swag
The Hunted
Unknown Man No. 89
Touch
The Switch
Gunsights
I like that
Thanks Scrum
got two copies today
one tiny
one large

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Posted: 16 September 2007 11:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 72 ]
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Finished rereading The Hunted
still think it a great story
plot so intricate
a clockwork
get a kick out of a guy
name of Bandy
getting to act that way
“white dog shit”
doesn’t do him justice
so crude and mean
a corporate lawyer
Al Rosen aka Jimmy Ross
discovered in a moment of being
loves and is loved
existing in a state of true freedom
plays with notions
god’s will
clear headedness
lust for life
watching her walk past the cafe,
liked her thin legs,
her high can,
and her sensible breasts.

most regretful loss
who is the real villain in this tale?
revenge
David Davis
one place in particular
natural self should have
saved the day
didn’t
why

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Posted: 18 September 2007 10:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 73 ]
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You guys have got me wanting to reread Pronto and The Hunted.  Dang, I’ll never get onto that 3:10 to Yuma.  ;-D

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Posted: 29 October 2007 05:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 74 ]
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hey kats & kittens finished the switch
in right and proper order at what feels
like a turning point
Swag
The Hunted
Unknown Man No. 89
Touch
The Switch
will start Gunsights soon
but first a look at this group
look
look
tales of morality
real people
till touch
greg
if I may ask a question
was EL
ever
touched
by this
young man
St Francis
in this way?
it seems to me
the whole truth
as it can be known
yet
certainly not well appreciated
certainly what comes next is much easier to understand
yet
it is here
a profound transformation manifests
ok
so
I started Gunsights
already Dana Moon and Bo Catlett
chase Loco the One Eyed Mimbreno
and Blue Eyed Katy McKean
in what can only be seen as a sequel to Law at Randado
yet

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Posted: 30 October 2007 10:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 75 ]
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turning point, eh?
gunsights after the juvenal touch
turning crime fiction on its head
going back
always to what works best
and first in this case
another western from
the master
yet after establishing
his own voice
and still able
to tell it
the way it should be told
succinctly
using ten rules
but still feeling like
his westerns of old
and oh the craftsmanship
the story is
truly standing alone
for me
not seen as a sequel
at all

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